AYUDA: TACANs, VORTACs and VOR/DMEs bases de POH 0.7.0

[Joe Labrada]

Necesitamos la siguiente información: TACANs, VORTACs and VOR/DMEs.

 

 

 

I need the real data for the ranges of the Spanish TACANs, VORTACs and VOR/DMEs.

As you can see at the attached pdf file, i have only the civilian version that gives ranges only to VORs (not VOR/DMEs) and to NDBs (that are not used inside Falcon BMS).

Do you have any friend that can provide us the similar file for the military NavAids (means TACANs and VORTACs)?

If we can, it will be great to have the real data. Or else i will use from Jeppesen the estimations for them.

 

 

 

Maybe this website can help you?

 

http://worldaerodata.com/nav/Spain.php

But i know this site as also the better one here: http://www.the-airport-guide.com/search.php?by=country

Both of them did not give ranges for the NavAids. Only the channels and the IDs.

 

 

¿Alguna aportación?

[MrWell]

A ver si consigo un Supplement...

[CHipi]

Joe, ya se lo dije a nikos en un correo.

 

En ninguna de las publicaciones dirigidas a pilotos aparece él alcance de las radioayudas.

 

De hecho nunca me lo había planteado. Sí que era importante comprobar sí funcionaban o no y mirar las restricciones puntuales que pudieran tener que se publicaban por NOTAMs.

 

 

Pero él alcance por defecto no lo he mirado en la vida.

 

Cuando volabas hacia un tacan, cuando estabas a xx millas lo sintonizabas. Sí no daba señal, volvías a la anterior y esperabas un poco más.

 

no digo que la info no exista, pero desde luego sí no esta en ninguna de las publicaciones que usamos, significa que no es un dato relevante pista los pilotos.

 

 

De hecho si hay algo que me llama la atención de los tacan en bms es el poco alcance que tienen.

 

IRL y a alta cota yo recuedo sintonizar tacans mucho más allá de las 50 millas. Pero de mi memoria ya no se puede fiar uno.

 

Anyway y cómo dice mrwell el suplemment es la última publicación a la que tengo acceso que me queda por mirar. En todas las demás, incluido él AIP, no esta.

[flyway]

Have also looked for Spanish airports/ airbases info and didn't find much... will give some more searching.

As you know 201VFS forums have Portuguese needed info.

[Blackduke]

Nosotros, cada x tiempo calibramos los tacanes de los buques y aunque ahora mismo no recuerdo distancias, si que recuerdo que había radiales y a veces sectores en los que la aeronave que participaba en la calibración tenía más alcance, yendo a la misma altura, claro, que en otros. Y como toda fuente emisora de radioenergía, se ve también afectada por las condiciones meteo.

 

De hecho, en los buques nunca damos un alcance del tacan. Cuando una aeronave se nos aproximaba, o bien se le ha dado antes en el briefing en homeplate o bien se le da por radio el canal tacan. El piloto lo sintoniza y ahí lo deja hasta que reciben señal.

 

Tal vez por eso, no aparece ese dato en las publicaciones. Puede que no sea tan crucial, sino aparecería, digo yo ¿no?

[Joe Labrada]

Ok... Muchas gracais.....

....entonces ese dato no está disponible... supongo que es para, al hacer las cartas, dibujar arcos DM, o como se llamen... no sé.

 

Cuando dice:

 

 

Do you have any friend that can provide us the similar file for the military NavAids (means TACANs and VORTACs)

 

¿Hay algo más que no pueda obtener de ese enlace que usa como fuente de información? Quiero decir: ¿aparte del alcance de la estación TACAN nos p ide algo más?

[flyway]

Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:

- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF

- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.

- Airport/ Airbase spawn points

- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams

- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.

 

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range

...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location

 

- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.

- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers

 

- RWY refined headings (in BMS)

- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs

- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)

- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end

 

Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.

[CHipi]

Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:

- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF

- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.

- Airport/ Airbase spawn points

- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams

- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.

 

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range

...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location

 

- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.

- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers

 

- RWY refined headings (in BMS)

- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs

- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)

- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end

 

Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.

flyaway:

 

To draw the approach plate you don't need the tacan range.

 

Maybe you need it to build the theater, but none of the approach plates I have flown IRL (DOD, SPAF IAPs and Jeppessen) include the tacan range info.

 

IRL I have never seen a TACAN with a range as short as 25NM.

I agree that if no info is available a minimum of at least 75NM should be given to ALL t

Tacans.

 

I sent nikos all the real approach plates for spanish bases current as of november last year.

[Tom Raisen]

nice job RED-1!! :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :plas: :plas: :plas:

[MrWell]

De hecho la posición de las radioayudas se decide en base a la ruta que se pretende cubrir, o sea, si queremos ir de LETO a LEAB pondremos un TCN en cada base solapándose en el medio. Lo raro es que no haya cobertura TCN como pasa en BMS. Siempre habría uno, aunque no fuera el que queremos, sino estaría mal diseñada la red. La única excepción es si nos apoyamos en VOR para navegar. Todo esto estando a media altura. A MBC es otra historia.

Saludos

 

PD: De todas maneras seguiré buscando el Supplement para asegurarnos de que no viene el range

[flyway]

Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:

- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF

- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.

- Airport/ Airbase spawn points

- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams

- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.

 

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range

...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location

 

- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.

- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers

 

- RWY refined headings (in BMS)

- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs

- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)

- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end

 

Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.

flyaway:

 

To draw the approach plate you don't need the tacan range.

 

Maybe you need it to build the theater, but none of the approach plates I have flown IRL (DOD, SPAF IAPs and Jeppessen) include the tacan range info.

 

IRL I have never seen a TACAN with a range as short as 25NM.

I agree that if no info is available a minimum of at least 75NM should be given to ALL t

Tacans.

 

I sent nikos all the real approach plates for spanish bases current as of november last year.

Good copy mate.

Well, it's usuall to see those ranges in "falcon" charts...

Maybe not very realistic, but, since am used to see that info, have included it in the list... not that I need it, although it maybe an useful information.

[CHipi]

Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:

- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF

- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.

- Airport/ Airbase spawn points

- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams

- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.

 

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range

...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.

- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location

 

- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.

- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers

 

- RWY refined headings (in BMS)

- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs

- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)

- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end

 

Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.

flyaway:

 

To draw the approach plate you don't need the tacan range.

 

Maybe you need it to build the theater, but none of the approach plates I have flown IRL (DOD, SPAF IAPs and Jeppessen) include the tacan range info.

 

IRL I have never seen a TACAN with a range as short as 25NM.

I agree that if no info is available a minimum of at least 75NM should be given to ALL t

Tacans.

 

I sent nikos all the real approach plates for spanish bases current as of november last year.

Good copy mate.

Well, it's usuall to see those ranges in "falcon" charts...

Maybe not very realistic, but, since am used to see that info, have included it in the list... not that I need it, although it maybe an useful information.

 

Glad to help here.

 

That's one of the main missions of us "aggressors". To help with out IRL experience.

[flyway]

Chipi, IRL experience is exactly what this community (Falcon world) needs to have by side. :mrgreen:

Helping and giving the right advises is what we all strive for, seeking for realism with this simulator.

Now, still about tacan ranges, and considering Mr.Well input, it makes sense to see those ranges (still under falcon world ) if there's no full coverage over the theater territory, as it seems to be IRL.

[CHipi]

Chipi, IRL experience is exactly what this community (Falcon world) needs to have by side. :mrgreen:

Helping and giving the right advises is what we all strive for, seeking for realism with this simulator.

Now, still about tacan ranges, and considering Mr.Well input, it makes sense to see those ranges (still under falcon world ) if there's no full coverage over the theater territory, as it seems to be IRL.

 

We try to be as helpful as we can, but sometimes bringing RL advice to virtual world just makes things more confusing.

 

IRL TACANs are very seldom used as a "navigation" aid to go from point A to point B.

 

Thats mainly because during peacetime when flying a pure ferry flight, all civilian airways are based on VOR/DME.

 

Besides radio nav is being replaced rapidly by RNAV, based on onboard systems like GPS.

 

And that is peace time ferry flight. When we are taking about operational flight, TCs(transit corridors = tactical airways) established in ACO are not based on navaids. They are just waypoints and military A/C use onboard systems to fly along them.

 

So RL, TACANs have been since long relegated to merely secondary APP aids so using TACANs to nav is not very realistic, specially in a wartime scenario.

 

Bottomline here is I wouldn't worry much about this issue and fix a std range of 75-100 NM fire all of them.

 

And since it is not normally available to RL pilots, I would not include TACAN ranges on any of the approach plates.

 

hope this helps.

[flyway]

Thankyou Chipi.

Very valuable info here.

:birras:

[Joe Labrada]

Publicado en los foros de BenchmarkSims por nuestro infatigable Nikos... Una preview de las Navaids de POH confeccionadas por Nikos y Nil. :crack: :crack: :crack:

 

POH theater - NavAids and nav. charts

[Tom Raisen]

sí, vistas ahí... vaya monstruos NIL y Nikos... brutal... :crack: :crack: :crack:

[pina]

Hello, taken from portuguese AIP

 

ARRABIDA DME

DME

ARR

CH20X

H24

382934N

0085744W

1200FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage: 150NM FL100
Not usable:
120DEG / 190DEG
245DEG / 260DEG

 

ARRUDA

NDB

LAR

382 KHZ

H24

385940N

0090225W

 

NIL /
Coverage:
50NM

 

BEJA

TACAN

BEJ

CH 105X

H24

380742N

0075536W

 700FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300not usable
BTN R265 and R275 all levels

 

CAPARICA

NDB

CP

389 KHZ

H24

383832N

0091317W

 

FRA: Departure /
Coverage:
180NM
Bearing Errors of up to Plus/Minus 10 degrees in sectors R314-316 and R115-117

 

CASCAIS

DVOR/DME

CAS

114.30MHZ
CH 90X

H24

384454N

0092143W

700FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage: 60NMDVOR Sectors not usable:030º/060º byd 20NM blw FL100290º/350º byd 10NM blw FL100

 

ESPICHEL

DVORTAC

ESP

112.50MHZ

CH 72X

H24

382527N

0091109W

600FT

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
203º/315º - 200NM FL500
315º/203º - 80NM FL500
Not usable:
060º/080º blw 4000FT byd 10NM

 

FARO

DVOR

VFA

112.80MHZ

H24

370049N

0075830W

 

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500 Not Usable:
340º/060º blw 4000FT byd 40NM

 

FARO

DME

VFA

CH 75X

H24

370049N

0075830W

100FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable:
340º/060º blw 4000FT byd 40NM

 

FATIMA

DVOR

FTM

113.50MHZ

H24

393956N

0082934W

 

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
60NM FL500
Not usable:
210º/230ºbyd 35NM blw 4000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 40NM blw 5000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 47NM blw 6000FT AMSL

 

FATIMA

DME

FTM

CH 82X

H24

393958N

0082936W

700FT

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
60NM FL500
Not usable:
210º/230ºbyd 35NM blw 4000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 40NM blw 5000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 47NM blw 6000FT AMSL

 

FLORES

DVOR

(14ºW)

FRS

113.30MHZ

H24

392713N

0311238W

 

NIL /
Coverage:
250NM FL300
Not usable:
325º/345º blw 16000FT byd 40NM

 

FLORES

DME

(14ºW)

FRS

CH80X

H24

392713N

0311238W

2800FT

NIL /
Coverage:

250NM FL300

Not usable:

325º/345º blw 16000FT byd 40NM

 

FUNCHAL

DVOR

FUN

112.20 MHZ

H24

324450N

0164220W

 

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable:240º/310º byd 20NM blw 9000FT

FUNCHAL

NDB

MAD

318KHZ

H24

324453N

0164223W

 

NIL /
Coverage:
50NM
Not usable:
260º / 290º blw 7000FT

 

FUNCHAL

DME

FUN

CH59X

H24

324449N

0164220W

500FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:200NM FL500Not usable:240º/310º byd 20NM blw 9000FT

 

GRACIOSA

L

GC

428KHZ

H24

390538N

028 01 51W

 

NIL /
Coverage:
25NM

 

HORTA

DVORTAC

VFL

112.70MHZ
CH 74X

H24

383110N

0283725W

500FT

NIL /
Coverage:
240NM - FL600 DVOR:
Not usable:
010º/020º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
080º/140º byd 15NM blw 10000FT
280º/010º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
Not usable below 5000FT
TACAN:
Not usable:
010º/020º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
045º/080º byd 30NM blw 5000FT
080º/100º byd 28NM blw 5500FT
100º/140º byd 15NM blw 10000FT
140º/150º byd 40NM blw 3000FT
280º/010º byd 10NM blw 10000FT

 

HORTA

NDB

FIL

380 KHZ

H24

383121N

0284109W

 

NIL /
Coverage:
250NM

 

LAJES

VOR

LM

112.30MHZ

H24

384702N

0270616W

 

NIL /
Coverage:
100NM
Not usable:
R215/R240 byd 35NM blw 9000FT R241/R275 byd 20NM at all altitudes.
Maintenance:
WED 08:00-12:00.

 

LAJES

TACAN

LAJ

CH 45X

H24

384248N

0270656W

1800FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300
Not usable:
270º/315º within 40NM blw 7000FT
Maintenance:
MON 09:00-12:00.

 

LISBOA

DVOR/DME

LIS

114.80MHZ
CH 95X

H24

385316N

0090946W

1100FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
80NM FL500

 

MONTARGIL

DME

DMT

CH 45X

H24

390438N

0081115W

800FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
115NM / FL080

 

MONTIJO

TACAN

MOJ

CH37X

H24

384232N

0090200W

100FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300
Unusable:
R290 / R310 BLW 4000FT BYD 15NM

 

MONTE REAL

TACAN

MTR

CH33X

H24

394957N

0085325W

300FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300

 

NISA

DVORTAC

NSA

115.50MHZ
CH102X

H24

393353N

0075453W

1300FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:000º/180º - 60NM FL500181º/359º - 200NM FL 500
DVOR:
Not usable:310º/340º byd 20NM blw 7000FTExcessive errors may be observed in the sectors 117º-184º and 300º-030º
TACAN:
Not usable:200º/210º byd 30NM blw 4000FT310º/340º byd 20NM blw 7000FT

 

PONTA DELGADA

DVORTAC

VMG

114.50MHZ
CH 92X

H24

375046N

0254529W

2800FT

NIL /
DVOR:

Not usable:

090º/120º byd 30NM blw 8000FT

TACAN:

Not usable:

170º/190ºbyd 40NM blw 6000FT

 

PORTO

DVOR/DME

PRT

114.10MHZ
CH 88X

H24

411623N

0084116W

200FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
225º/315º - 200NM FL500
315º/225º - 80NM FL500
Not usable:
340º/360º byd 35NM

 

PORTO

NDB

POR

327 KHZ

H24

412053N

0084229W

 

NIL /
Coverage:
200NM
Not usable:
100º/130º byd 40NM blw 9000FT

 

PORTO SANTO

DVOR

SNT

114.90MHZ

H24

330525N

0162102W

 

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure / Coverage:200NM FL500Not usable:
070º/170º195º/250º byd 10NM below 9000FT

 

PORTO SANTO

DME

SNT

CH 96X

H24

330525N

0162101W

400FT

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
200NM FL 500
Not usable:
070º / 170º
195º / 250º byd 10nm blw 9000FT

 

PORTO SANTO

NDB

PST

338 KHZ

H24

330407N

0162130W

 

NIL /
Coverage:

250NM FL500

 

SAGRES

DVOR

SGR

113.90MHZ

H24

370502N

0085647W

 

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
250NM FL500

 

SAGRES

DME

SGR

CH 86X

H24

370502N

0085647W

500FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
250NM FL500

 

SANTA MARIA

VOR/DME

(11ºW)

VSM

112.00MHZ
CH 57X

H24

365746N

0250959W

300FT

NIL /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable
065º/130º byd 20NM blw 6000FT

 

SINTRA

VORTAC

SRA

112.10MHZCH 58X

H24

384945N

0092024W

400FT

NIL /
Coverage:

200NM FL500

Not usable

090º/110º byd 15NM blw 6000FT

220º/260º byd 10NM blw 10000FT

300º/330º byd 15NM blw 6000FT

Maintenance:

Every first working day of the month.

 

VISEU

DVOR/DME

VIS

113.10MHZ
CH 78X

H24

404324N

0075309W

2100FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable:130º/180º blw 9000FT byd 40NM180º/315º blw 6000FT byd 40NM315º/130º blw 8000FT byd 40NM

Editado 13 de Mayo del 2014 por pina

[Joe Labrada]

Post here, please

 

Thank you very much