Spanish military airbases

[flyway]

Hey all,

 

It seems am still confused about wich POH airfields are IRL military airfields..

So, need your help, to make it clear if possible.

And thanks in advance.

 

Here my list of Spain Military Airbases existing in POH.

Please, comment this thread if am wrong about some one, or missing anyone.

(I know some share military areas within general public airports, just like in Portugal, in this case we take it as Military Airbase for the theater)

 

Albacete

Armilla

Alcantarilla

Cuatro Vientos

Gran Canaria

La Palma

Lanzarote

Malaga

Moron

Murcia

Palma de Mallorca

Rota

Reus

Salamanca

Santiago

Talavera

Torrejon

Valladolid

Zaragoza

 

Thanks again,

Cheers.

Editado 13 de Diciembre del 2018 por flyway

[Spark]

Hi flyway here you can find info:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ej%C3%A9rcito_del_Aire_(Espa%C3%B1a)#Unidades,_Centros_y_Organismos

 

Where you see ICAO is airbase sure, in "Ala" or "escuadrón" you can see that there are fleet based, can be transport, fighter jets, trainers, paratroopers, etc. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ej%C3%A9rcito_del_Aire_(Espa%C3%B1a)#Aeronaves

 

 

http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/EA/ejercitodelaire/es/aeronaves/operativas/

Editado 13 de Diciembre del 2018 por Spark

[flyway]

Hey Spark,

 

Found first and usefull info here;

http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/EA/ejercitodelaire/en/Organization/Unit-Maps/

 

It seems same source as you posted.

About wikipedia... not sure all is true and up to date..

Thanks anyway.

Cheers.

[Spark]

The information of the wikipedia is quite correct, as far as I know at least.
The link you have written shows you all the units, whether or not they are airfields. You could use the wikipedia table as a list and check it with other sources.
Anyway, someone may know more about the subject and I can confirm your listing.

[flyway]

Thank you Spark.

Cheers.

[flyway]

So, by the information gathered so far... final list is;

...- This is a cross information from wikipedia and [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] (offical website??)

All comments are welcome so we can have a good understanding of what should be considered as an airbase or not in POH.

 

Albacete

Alcantarilla

Armilla

Burgos - not in POH, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing

Cuatro Vientos

Getafe - new entry

Gran Canaria (Gando) - not an airbase??, it is in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing

La Palma - not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing

Lanzarote

Leon - not in POH

Logorno - not in POH, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing

Malaga

Mellila - new entry, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing

Moron

Murcia (San Javier)

Palma de Mallorca (Son San Joan)

Pollensa- not in POH

Reus - Inactive, but considered as an airbase for POH, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing

Rota (Not air force, but military anyway)

Salamanca

Santiago

Talavera

Torrejon

Valencia- Inactive, but considered as an airbase for POH

Valladolid (Villanubla)

Zaragoza

Editado 29 de Diciembre del 2018 por flyway

[flyway]

Didn't say above but if anyone have a word about above list please feel free to comment confirming or telling if am wrong or missing any airbase in above list.
Am sure there must to be here who knows which are currently the Spanish airbases

Editado 16 de Diciembre del 2018 por flyway

[MrWell]

Hi, sorry for the late answer. Since the web does't work on tapatalk...

You did pointed it out, Gando should be an air base for sure!

Melilla has never been an air base but it can give some play to the game (not needed IMHO).

Valencia was an airbase and can be used if needed. It could be very good for an historic campaign.

I agree with the rest.

Merry Christmas!

[flyway]

Thank you MrWell for your input.

Your information seem to match my sources...

About Melilla, yes, it was considered an airbase somewhere, but I had my doubts. In anycase, considered it to be in higher position for 201VFS POH version.

Valencia and Reus... same. I think they are not active anymore, but they are also good points for navigation and thats why I kept them considered as airbases.

All airbases in POH_201VFS, will have priority regarding Airbase type (cannot be airstripes), Tacan Channels and Comms Freqs.

 

Cheers, and Merry Christmas.

[flyway]

Sevilla airport seems to me that also have a military area. Am not talking about Moron although...

So will consider it also as an airbase.

Do you guys agree ?

[Spark]

Sevilla don't have airbase (tipical with runway etc, except Morón 111Sq.), only have a helicopter base ("El copero") and a quartering.

Tablada is a abandoned runway since 1990.

[flyway]

Hey Spark, thanks for your input.

Will not consider it as an airbase, that way.

Got in doubts, because, latest google earth images show some cargo airplanes parked on the south side. Maybe theres a big maintenance facilities there or something like that... thou.

Thank you mate.

Editado 6 de Enero del 2019 por flyway

[Spark]

Oh, ok, Now I have realized what you were referring to. Airbus military have a factory, There they manufacture or assemble the A400m for example, I saw some times in the past flying near of my house. So cargo planes are from factory.

[KaFeTe]

Hello guys,

 

For you knowledgement.

 

The main Freq in LERT(Rota) is 257.8 and not the 306.850 (is the secondary one).

[flyway]

Copy Kafete, thanks for your input.

That frequency will conflict with Gran Canaria, in POH.

Has been any change in Gran Canaria freq?

In falcon cannot co-exist 2 instances of same freq for TWR comms

Editado 20 de Enero del 2019 por flyway

[KaFeTe]

oh, I see,

 

257.8 is the frecuency for all the spanish military towers, so could be in primary or not.

 

In this case we have to use the secundary one jajajaja

 

If you need anything from Rota, let me know

[Viperdude]

Well... Pictures! Lots of them

If you could get pictures from the buildings, we could do them photo realistic.

[KaFeTe]

Hi guys, as you know it is a little bit difficult take pictgures in a miltiary base...

 

I have other doubt.

 

In San Javier (LELC), the Runway 23R 05L (the real use), is only for turboprop and piston engine aircrafts, and here in the POH the ATC usually send us to this runway, Is any chance to change it ?

 

Thnks guys

[Spark]

The problem is that I do not think BMS distinguishes between turboprops/pistons engines and jets, neither civ vs mil but I don't know. And as in general the Runway 23R-05L is considered military and 23L-05R civilian, may have been the reason that it is so.

I mean that if that is the case, rather than being able to do it by realism, it may be a decision based on the preference of the editor because technical limitations to discriminate between turboprops/pistons engines and jets.

 

Then, is best move traffic to 23L-05R? Can it be to not have problems with the length of the runway for jets aircraft?

 

Dispone de dos pistas. Una de ellas designada como 05R–23L es de uso civil, y tiene

2.320 m de longitud y 45 m. de anchura. La otra, designada como 05L–23R se utiliza

para la operación de aeronaves militares, y sus dimensiones son 1.577 m de longitud y

45 m de anchura.

 

CIAIACC

COMISIÓN DE INVESTIGACIÓN DE ACCIDENTES E INCIDENTES DE AVIACIÓN CIVIL Boletín informativo 5/2013 p.77

 

 

Editado 31 de Enero del 2019 por Spark

[Viperdude]

Hi guys, as you know it is a little bit difficult take pictgures in a miltiary base...

 

I have other doubt.

 

In San Javier (LELC), the Runway 23R 05L (the real use), is only for turboprop and piston engine aircrafts, and here in the POH the ATC usually send us to this runway, Is any chance to change it ?

 

Thnks guys

 

Hi KaFeTe,

 

 

Thanks for the feedback, but it's already fixed . 

 

I've followed a friend's request from the EdAV and it's been recently changed . The AI will only use runway 23L-05R from now on.

 

I'm already using internally an update that has that fixed, including new photorealistic buildings for LEAB, LELC and LEZG.

 

The problem is that I would like to reach Joe Labrada (the project leader) and see with him if we could prepare and update for POH 0.8.0 but I haven't heard from him for tha past months...

 

If you like, I can prepare an unnoficial update and post the download link here, at least you can use it if you want.

 

Cheers

Editado 31 de Enero del 2019 por Viperdude

[KaFeTe]

Doesnt matter!, I can wait till the new release