AYUDA: TACANs, VORTACs and VOR/DMEs bases de POH 0.7.0
Necesitamos la siguiente información: TACANs, VORTACs and VOR/DMEs.
But i know this site as also the better one here: http://www.the-airport-guide.com/search.php?by=country
I need the real data for the ranges of the Spanish TACANs, VORTACs and VOR/DMEs.
As you can see at the attached pdf file, i have only the civilian version that gives ranges only to VORs (not VOR/DMEs) and to NDBs (that are not used inside Falcon BMS).
Do you have any friend that can provide us the similar file for the military NavAids (means TACANs and VORTACs)?
If we can, it will be great to have the real data. Or else i will use from Jeppesen the estimations for them.
Maybe this website can help you?
Both of them did not give ranges for the NavAids. Only the channels and the IDs.
¿Alguna aportación?
A ver si consigo un Supplement... 
Joe, ya se lo dije a nikos en un correo.
En ninguna de las publicaciones dirigidas a pilotos aparece él alcance de las radioayudas.
De hecho nunca me lo había planteado. Sí que era importante comprobar sí funcionaban o no y mirar las restricciones puntuales que pudieran tener que se publicaban por NOTAMs.
Pero él alcance por defecto no lo he mirado en la vida.
Cuando volabas hacia un tacan, cuando estabas a xx millas lo sintonizabas. Sí no daba señal, volvías a la anterior y esperabas un poco más.
no digo que la info no exista, pero desde luego sí no esta en ninguna de las publicaciones que usamos, significa que no es un dato relevante pista los pilotos.
De hecho si hay algo que me llama la atención de los tacan en bms es el poco alcance que tienen.
IRL y a alta cota yo recuedo sintonizar tacans mucho más allá de las 50 millas. Pero de mi memoria ya no se puede fiar uno.
Anyway y cómo dice mrwell el suplemment es la última publicación a la que tengo acceso que me queda por mirar. En todas las demás, incluido él AIP, no esta.
Have also looked for Spanish airports/ airbases info and didn't find much... will give some more searching.
As you know 201VFS forums have Portuguese needed info.
Nosotros, cada x tiempo calibramos los tacanes de los buques y aunque ahora mismo no recuerdo distancias, si que recuerdo que había radiales y a veces sectores en los que la aeronave que participaba en la calibración tenía más alcance, yendo a la misma altura, claro, que en otros. Y como toda fuente emisora de radioenergía, se ve también afectada por las condiciones meteo.
De hecho, en los buques nunca damos un alcance del tacan. Cuando una aeronave se nos aproximaba, o bien se le ha dado antes en el briefing en homeplate o bien se le da por radio el canal tacan. El piloto lo sintoniza y ahí lo deja hasta que reciben señal.
Tal vez por eso, no aparece ese dato en las publicaciones. Puede que no sea tan crucial, sino aparecería, digo yo ¿no?
Ok... Muchas gracais.....
....entonces ese dato no está disponible... supongo que es para, al hacer las cartas, dibujar arcos DM, o como se llamen... no sé.
Cuando dice:
Do you have any friend that can provide us the similar file for the military NavAids (means TACANs and VORTACs)
¿Hay algo más que no pueda obtener de ese enlace que usa como fuente de información? Quiero decir: ¿aparte del alcance de la estación TACAN nos p ide algo más?
Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:
- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF
- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.
- Airport/ Airbase spawn points
- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams
- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range
...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location
- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.
- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers
- RWY refined headings (in BMS)
- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs
- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)
- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end
Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.
Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF
- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.
- Airport/ Airbase spawn points
- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams
- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range
...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location
- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.
- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers
- RWY refined headings (in BMS)
- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs
- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)
- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end
Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.
flyaway:
To draw the approach plate you don't need the tacan range.
Maybe you need it to build the theater, but none of the approach plates I have flown IRL (DOD, SPAF IAPs and Jeppessen) include the tacan range info.
IRL I have never seen a TACAN with a range as short as 25NM.
I agree that if no info is available a minimum of at least 75NM should be given to ALL t
Tacans.
I sent nikos all the real approach plates for spanish bases current as of november last year.
nice job RED-1!! :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :plas: :plas: :plas:
De hecho la posición de las radioayudas se decide en base a la ruta que se pretende cubrir, o sea, si queremos ir de LETO a LEAB pondremos un TCN en cada base solapándose en el medio. Lo raro es que no haya cobertura TCN como pasa en BMS. Siempre habría uno, aunque no fuera el que queremos, sino estaría mal diseñada la red. La única excepción es si nos apoyamos en VOR para navegar. Todo esto estando a media altura. A MBC es otra historia.
Saludos
PD: De todas maneras seguiré buscando el Supplement para asegurarnos de que no viene el range
Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF
- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.
- Airport/ Airbase spawn points
- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams
- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range
...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location
- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.
- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers
- RWY refined headings (in BMS)
- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs
- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)
- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end
Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.
flyaway:
To draw the approach plate you don't need the tacan range.
Maybe you need it to build the theater, but none of the approach plates I have flown IRL (DOD, SPAF IAPs and Jeppessen) include the tacan range info.
IRL I have never seen a TACAN with a range as short as 25NM.
I agree that if no info is available a minimum of at least 75NM should be given to ALL t
Tacans.
I sent nikos all the real approach plates for spanish bases current as of november last year.
Good copy mate.
Well, it's usuall to see those ranges in "falcon" charts... 
Maybe not very realistic, but, since am used to see that info, have included it in the list... not that I need it, although it maybe an useful information.
Well, usually, for IAPs you'll need as basics:- Airport/Airbase comms for VHF and UHF
- Airport/ Airbase ARP location and elev.
- Airport/ Airbase spawn points
- Aiport/ Airbase diagrams
- Surrounding areas elevations/ high objects for multiple purposes/ multiple plates.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); channel
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); range
...- if no available info, assume range (100NM, 50NM or 25NM) by importance of that airbase/ airport.
- Tacan station (inc. DME emmiter); location
- ILS emmiter for each existent RWY end; Freq.
- Existence of Inner/Outer Markers
- RWY refined headings (in BMS)
- RWY (Each one) ARPs locations and elevs
- RWY (each one) elevation, lenght and width (in BMS)
- Kind of PAPI for each RWY end
Here's our current (adapted to BMS) IAP for Sachon (adapted from the real one from Monte Real). PM for the creation source (in Excel) if interested.
flyaway:
To draw the approach plate you don't need the tacan range.
Maybe you need it to build the theater, but none of the approach plates I have flown IRL (DOD, SPAF IAPs and Jeppessen) include the tacan range info.
IRL I have never seen a TACAN with a range as short as 25NM.
I agree that if no info is available a minimum of at least 75NM should be given to ALL t
Tacans.
I sent nikos all the real approach plates for spanish bases current as of november last year.
Good copy mate.
Well, it's usuall to see those ranges in "falcon" charts...
Maybe not very realistic, but, since am used to see that info, have included it in the list... not that I need it, although it maybe an useful information.
Glad to help here.
That's one of the main missions of us "aggressors". To help with out IRL experience.
Chipi, IRL experience is exactly what this community (Falcon world) needs to have by side. :mrgreen:
Helping and giving the right advises is what we all strive for, seeking for realism with this simulator.
Now, still about tacan ranges, and considering Mr.Well input, it makes sense to see those ranges (still under falcon world ) if there's no full coverage over the theater territory, as it seems to be IRL.
Chipi, IRL experience is exactly what this community (Falcon world) needs to have by side. :mrgreen:Helping and giving the right advises is what we all strive for, seeking for realism with this simulator.
Now, still about tacan ranges, and considering Mr.Well input, it makes sense to see those ranges (still under falcon world
We try to be as helpful as we can, but sometimes bringing RL advice to virtual world just makes things more confusing.
IRL TACANs are very seldom used as a "navigation" aid to go from point A to point B.
Thats mainly because during peacetime when flying a pure ferry flight, all civilian airways are based on VOR/DME.
Besides radio nav is being replaced rapidly by RNAV, based on onboard systems like GPS.
And that is peace time ferry flight. When we are taking about operational flight, TCs(transit corridors = tactical airways) established in ACO are not based on navaids. They are just waypoints and military A/C use onboard systems to fly along them.
So RL, TACANs have been since long relegated to merely secondary APP aids so using TACANs to nav is not very realistic, specially in a wartime scenario.
Bottomline here is I wouldn't worry much about this issue and fix a std range of 75-100 NM fire all of them.
And since it is not normally available to RL pilots, I would not include TACAN ranges on any of the approach plates.
hope this helps.
Thankyou Chipi.
Very valuable info here.
:birras: